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what's up everybody happy wednesday

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thank you so much for joining

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uh today

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super psyched about today's guest you

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guys know that i play some music once in

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a while

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and we have somebody that um takes

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photographs of

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music people once in a while

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it's gonna be cool and my wednesday

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friend is here and everybody loves him

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that's jake christopher king i'm pretty

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sure everybody really comes for him but

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that's okay we don't have to talk about

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it's just his

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stunning good looks

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and that's okay with me

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so i appreciate it we have

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um probably

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gonna have a little bit of a smaller

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crowd we have john ramirez on a

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different channel right now and

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um he is yet

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still all the rave so

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that's what's going on there but lucky

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for you that are here

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um you're gonna be in on a really cool

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show with a really cool dude

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we're gonna get at it

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paranormal pixie what's up lara

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appreciate you k42d what's up

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awesome

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and i'm glad you like the background

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benji might be what's up brother i

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thought yeah about this show you're

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gonna dig

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um so yeah the first person i'll bring

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in here is mr j christopher king he's

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always reading a book

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hey man how's it going

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i mean i'm sure it will eventually it's

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it's it's a bit of a stick but uh but

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it's only if we don't address it and if

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you if we just kind of like let it go

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you know we don't you know i just put

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the book down then maybe it'll work

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it's only the second time i've done it

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so i just happen to be learning as i am

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all the time because i'm oh how you are

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smart oh hello there

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have you been how's your team what's up

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hey benny oh vinny

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oh hello hello hello to all of you in

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colombia i hope you're having a great

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um a great um evening i guess he's

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probably i'm thinking where he's at it

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might be getting towards dinner time

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how they're eating today if it's

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colombia it's just you're always awake

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appropriate for a famous rock

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photographer to make a sly cocaine

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reference um with regard to the colombia

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thank you for the happy belated birthday

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i appreciate it i'm 38 years

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our next guest is pretty cool so if you

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haven't seen his he's got a documentary

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called rock prophecies this guy has

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photographed everyone from the rolling

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direct influences on me

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uh as i started to write my own songs so

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that this is pretty cool to

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uh have him on the show here and talk

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about his own experiences

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uh with ufo's paranormal and such and

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get to know him a little bit so

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without further ado i'm going to bring

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him in all the way from new zealand

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what's up how are you sir

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good morning from new zealand

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nice to see you guys yeah yeah so thanks

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for doing this show i really appreciate

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um you were kind enough to uh reach out

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to me and say some kind words about this

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show and i really appreciated it and

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um i thought it'd be cool to bring you

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you know you've had your own experiences

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do you care sharing uh with us how that

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started for you you grew up in hawaii

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and i was the son of a baptist minister

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and it was the southern baptist

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so i wasn't allowed to go to movies

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dance play cards watch tv you know it

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was very restrictive and we literally

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church as it were next door to a

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buddhist temple and my bedroom was

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adjacent to the priest who used to chant

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all night long and bang gongs and stuff

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so i had this sort of

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stuff going on in my head the smell of

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incest coming in through the window but

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eventually we moved and we moved to

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another part of honolulu called manoa

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valley and um

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amazing things in the night i were

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hearing people talking i was hearing

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people piling rocks um i couldn't make

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out what they were saying and it was

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driving me crazy the rocks would

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sometimes roll down and hit the side of

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the house by my bedroom window and i

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would get my parents to come in to hear

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it and they couldn't hear it

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and i'm like you can't hear that and

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they're like no no and i'm like wait

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you know this happened three or four

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times and eventually my parents became

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worried you know the d word came up you

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know demonic or

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psychological problems so i just shut up

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and i lived with it for a couple years

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and then when i got a little older and i

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went to high school i had a pure

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who was into some really interesting

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things and we used to talk so he came up

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late and we were talking

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you hear that and i said yeah you can

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hear that and then he said yeah but what

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they're saying is an ancient hawaiian

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and i'm like you're kidding me he said

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no no we need to go up to the bishop

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museum figure out what's going on here

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to the curator up there they brought out

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some charts as to where the house had

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been built and apparently there was a

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heyo or

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a kapu area where you have to keep out

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it was part of the royal family of queen

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lilio kalani and what i was hearing was

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the construction

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of the haiya which was maybe two three

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hundred years ago

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and why a white guy could hear this was

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beyond my pure hawaiian friend but the

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more i hung out with him the more

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unusual things were happening we would

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the whole room fill up with orbs or we

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would go out and see what they call the

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torch ceremony or the hawaiian death

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march where warriors are floating up and

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down the mountains we used to get

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binoculars drive the car up there to

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actually get close to watch it and yet

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of this activity but it

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but what happened is one time he and i

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decided to go camping at a very remote

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part of east oahu and we were talking

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absolutely no wind and you could see all

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the other eyelids in the background and

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suddenly the ocean lit up and there were

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three very fast moving lights under the

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zooming through the ocean

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and we had no frame of reference the

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only thing that was on tv at that point

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was a tv show called voyage to the

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bottom of the sea and i thought oh

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submarines with headlights you know

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sudden these three objects flew out of

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the water and went into three different

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just spectacular and we were rather

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dumbfounded but the mixed memory we have

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was um being eight miles away six hours

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it was years later when i happened to be

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living in la that i saw the whole life

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expo say that there was a ufo convention

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that i went to that and that brought

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back all those memories again and then

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it's where i started down this path of

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finding the key people that were behind

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all of this that was my goal i needed to

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meet the key people and uh i bought all

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the next time there was a convention i

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met the authors i took some of them to

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lunch i met bill cooper i met zechariah

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but i felt like all the people that were

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attending it were nuts i didn't really

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know how to grapple with it but

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eventually i managed being a

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photographer to get through

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and know all of what you now know as the

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key people in the in the ufo world my

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best friends are like hal put off and

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john alexander kick green ballet

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eric davis i mean i met everybody in

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that world but in a different way than

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most people would meet them i met them

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as a photographer and as a friend

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had many meals with hal and everybody

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you know that was always running in the

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background the whole time i was a

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it's an interesting thing i don't know

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if i diverted too far from rock and roll

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there but anyway that's sort of the

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background of how i got into the

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experience

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thing and then i've seen a whole lot of

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other things in the course of my life

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major ufo sighting in phoenix with my

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wife and watched this thing for 20

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minutes and little ones coming out of it

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and they were staying at the hotel and

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we were up on the roof having dinner and

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there they were and we watched it

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that's amazing when around when was that

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that i knew that and i was um

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i knew a lot of people that had

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something to do with the phoenix lights

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john alexander and a lot of people gave

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mean that you know the thing was it

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first appeared at henderson nevada which

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is where actually i ended up living at

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one point for 15 years and it went all

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the way to phoenix arizona i mean

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phoenix to tucson so they tracked that

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thing quite a distance

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and um i heard from some other people

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that they have above photos of it

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you know from looking down at it

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satellites and whatnot they were able to

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to see it there um

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and the irony was

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one of the guys that collects my

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photographs who lives in aspen that i

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met was goldie hahn's husband kurt

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russell and he was flying into phoenix

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his private plane with his son and he

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encountered the thing and complained to

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yeah that's amazing i i especially loved

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the part was kurt russell where he i

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heard an

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interview him saying

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similar to you maybe after you're

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missing time situation he was like yeah

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the next day it just kind of like it was

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out of my head i just kind of forgot

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about it and then

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you know it wasn't until later i was

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watching tv and i heard somebody talking

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about and i was like oh yeah i was the

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one that uh reported that

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um but if you go back now to where at

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the beginning of my photography career

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that was the common denominator that i

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would talk about with jimi hendrix or

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led zeppelin or a lot of the people they

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had extreme interest in this topic these

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fields

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and and when you know i met led zeppelin

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and i shot their very first show in

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america which is really at the whiskey a

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go-go

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and um

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it was like the movie almost famous

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because i wasn't old enough to get in

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the venue i'd been sent down by rolling

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stone magazine and i went and showed up

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in the afternoon i said i'm here from

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rolling stone i'm here to shoot the band

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and she said how old are you and i told

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her you can't get in but she called the

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hotel

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jimmy page answered and said send him

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over to the hotel so i spent the whole

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day with led zeppelin met them all

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and then they brought me in his road

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crew

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so

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i was able to get into the whiskey

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wow

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that's amazing let me ask you this was

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there a point in your life where um

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you know your two kind of passions are

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past

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mixed where

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you know you were with one of the the

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rock guys you were photographing and you

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were also with one of the

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uh ufology guys that you were that you

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had maybe just met

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well the funny thing is is that i had a

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couple of gallery shows and i would

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always invite hal put off when i knew he

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was in town and he would come

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and hal's come to a couple of my rock

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and roll shows and and he brought john

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peterson from the

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you know the institute in arlington and

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um

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and i got pictures of them hanging out

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with john five and terry bozio and

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you know a lot of really cool people

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travel records labeled president

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mike varney uh who you know always is

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into the ufo thing and um

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yeah

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what do you think it is about musicians

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that um or songwriters or creators that

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um

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you know kind of bring them into this

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world sometimes

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i think the reason that musicians

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artists photographers and creative

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people have experiences or even

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interested it is because they're dealing

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with consciousness every day when you

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get a guy like dave grohl or bob dylan

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or any of them you ask them

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well where did that song idea come from

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they'll go up there i mean they have no

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idea it's like they're channeling some

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other thing

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so they're tapping into a collective

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unconscious in a way you know it's

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particularly a lot of the

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the guys that really resonate with um

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you know the with the fans like you two

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and stuff like that there's a whole

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other dimension with a lot of these guys

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and a lot of the people are experiencers

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you know like sammy hagar i mean he has

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a story about thing but sammy's told me

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this is this has gone on his whole life

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well you know he's had multiple

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experiences and

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and you know

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it's interesting so i honestly think

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there's a connection between

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consciousness and the creative process

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you know and jimmy hendrix i mean when i

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would talk to jimmy i mean he had so

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many far-fetched ideas i didn't even

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know how to wrap my head around him you

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know what i mean i mean he would tell me

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he was not from this earth and you know

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and

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just crazy stuff you know but at the

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time i thought oh he must be on drugs

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but then years later and i got deeper

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into it and i met members of his family

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i started to understand

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what he was talking about

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and he was native american a lot of

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people don't realize that he was part

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cherokee and what i did not know is the

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cherokees also kept slaves

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and there was an intermarriage going on

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between african americans and the

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cherokees so those people around

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oklahoma and that so hendricks had a

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very strong native american

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connection there and i think he

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identified with that because he was

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really unhappy with the black panthers

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there was pressure on him to get rid of

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the white guys in the band and you know

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um

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book and give money to them and you know

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i mean he was like and he just wanted to

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play music he wanted to

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you know and he was headed you know to

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work with miles davis and people like

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that you know he was destined that way

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so

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um

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but uh as far as creative types they're

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they're often

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see is that a quality of following the

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muse and like what you're talking about

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in terms of like tapping into the

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consciousness field or or believing in

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that idea and kind of trying to kind of

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like ride

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the the fate train as it were if that

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makes sense

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and um i've encount i've encountered

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that with people myself i mean in terms

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of

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the the conversation there and it seems

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like there are some very successful

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people that really heavily believe in

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that kind of mentality you know have you

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had

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in in your time with touring with bands

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and and shooting shows and stuff like

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that have there been situations that you

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found that were

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where that

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kind of um

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where the consciousness field fate

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destiny like or these kinds of or

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strange synchronicities where these

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things have particularly aligned in a

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way that felt yeah

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so and you know

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i'm probably jumping all over the place

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here but um i was a very good friend of

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ingo swan

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and i spent almost 12 years around ingo

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and i learned a lot from ingo and we had

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many many many long conversations but

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one of the things that ingo taught me

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was

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is that the signal line of your life

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the path you're meant to be on

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is very faint

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98 percent

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of reality is noise

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and maybe one to two percent is the

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signal line it's very subtle but how you

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know when you're on your signal line is

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by the inordinate amount of

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synchronicity

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going on in your life it's generally

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you're on the path and so

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you know i could give you a stevie ray

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vaughn story about synchronicity that

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would make your hair stand up it's got

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all of the elements

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that you know uh do it

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i mean you know

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let's do it

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really i'd love to hear that yeah sure

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if you're if you're okay talking about

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it that is yeah i am but it was a very

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traumatic thing for me and obviously

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very traumatic for eric clapton and

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other people but um stevie was a really

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good friend and i

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basically met him the second time in my

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life the first time i met him i didn't

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realize it

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he was 15 years old and he was gonna get

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the gig in one of my high school cover

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bands that was based in dallas and i had

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met him but had forgotten that it was 15

509
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year old stevie ray vaughan or 16 how

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how old he was but

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but anyway i was out on a tour with jeff

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beck and stevie ray and they would

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alternate opening and closing and stevie

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was in his sober

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period of his life he had been sober

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about five six years and he had

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basically died in switzerland or

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somewhere just a complete you know abuse

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of his body with drugs alcohol he said

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he was putting cocaine in everything you

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know he put in his cereal putting it in

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this putting it that and then combining

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with this and that plus drinking and he

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ended up throwing up a lot of blood and

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he ended up like basically near death

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but he made a promise to himself and to

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god that if he came out of that he would

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then dedicate his life to

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trying to as long as he had left to sort

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of help the boys and girls and keep them

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away from the party and all of that so

532
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he and i used to have a lot of these

533
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conversations and what a lot of people

534
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don't realize is that even though i've

535
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been around the rock business from the

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beginning i've been shooting 53 years

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with musicians i have never done a

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single drug and i was anathema to that

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and stevie used to talk to me about like

540
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well how could you be around jimi

541
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hendrix or led zeppelin or any of these

542
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other bands and not do drugs and i said

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well you just make yourself more

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interesting in another area you know to

545
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where there's a conversation or whatever

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i never went to the parties i never went

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to i've done no you time or use for the

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drug culture i was very anti-drug

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so stevie really found that interesting

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so he used to fly to l.a and just have

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conversations with me about sobriety

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and how hard it was

553
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so i happen to be in maui on a job and i

554
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get a phone call and it's stevie ray

555
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,880
he's like robert i got this really

556
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important gig back in alpine valley

557
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wisconsin just outside milwaukee

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and that's with eric clapton and robert

559
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:56,160
cray and and fender wants to do a poster

560
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,919
and i want you to do it

561
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,440
and i said well you know where are you

562
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,919
he says well i'm in maui i said what he

563
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,080
said yeah he said i got a new girlfriend

564
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:05,760
she's from new zealand i go well i have

565
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,760
a girlfriend from new zealand too you

566
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,840
know and it was like all of a sudden the

567
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,840
synchronicity started piling up so i fly

568
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,240
back to wisconsin

569
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,159
and fender booked me into a hotel that

570
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,159
was right behind the venue

571
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,240
in the winter it's a ski resort and

572
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,080
there's a ski jump there

573
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,320
and um we were meant to do the shoot

574
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,400
about three in the afternoon

575
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,240
eric was coming in from chicago with

576
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,039
helicopters and eric forgot and he came

577
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,039
in right before his set

578
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,960
and stevie was very disappointed he

579
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,640
thought well that's not gonna happen and

580
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,640
he was very bummed out and so eric said

581
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,480
don't worry he said robert you just hang

582
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,760
with stevie

583
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,679
and i'll let the press photographer

584
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,240
shoot tonight tomorrow you can be the

585
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,960
only photographer okay

586
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,520
so stevie and i ended up just talking

587
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,120
and stevie said you know i'm gonna die

588
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,120
and i said what he said no dr john

589
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,799
called me and said i'm gonna die i said

590
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,039
dr john he said yeah he said he said you

591
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,880
gotta tell he said the reverend mother

592
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,799
called dr john and said you told stevie

593
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,320
ray vaughan to look out he's going to

594
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,559
die and so stevie was sort of laughing

595
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,159
about that and i said well did you know

596
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,000
oda's reading died right over from this

597
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,840
lake over here you know not far and he

598
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,640
says well my manager was his manager

599
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:16,559
you know so suddenly more and more

600
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,840
things are falling into place here so

601
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,600
we talked about life we talked about

602
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,120
death and he's like well you know when

603
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,840
it's your time to go it's you know

604
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,520
it's your you can do nothing about it

605
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,600
sort of thing you know so he said where

606
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,919
are you staying i said well i'm staying

607
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,320
right behind this gig here he says you

608
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,480
got to check out of that hotel i said

609
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,159
why he said i stayed in that hotel once

610
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,159
i have a very bad feeling you need to

611
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,679
leave that hotel

612
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,400
get out of that hotel i'll pay for it

613
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,400
i'm like no that's okay so i said but i

614
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,320
got to stay there tonight all my stuff's

615
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,600
over there so

616
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,520
anyway in the morning

617
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,120
i had an assistant with me and we

618
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,240
checked out

619
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,919
but i couldn't find any of my portable

620
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,640
lighting equipment all my stuff was gone

621
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,240
and i'm like oh my god and i called

622
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,760
stevie back in chicago and i said i got

623
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,919
to go to milwaukee real quick and try to

624
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,280
find the lighting

625
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,960
because i got to replace it so when i

626
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
went up to milwaukee i checked into a

627
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,240
different hotel

628
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,520
and

629
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,480
came back

630
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,640
and well we couldn't find anything in

631
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,480
milwaukee and it was getting close to

632
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,760
showtime

633
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,000
and we were all in a circle backstage i

634
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,320
was with alex hodges as manager the band

635
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,320
everybody and and stevie said did you

636
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,640
find that gear yet and i said no and he

637
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,400
winked at me and said don't worry it'll

638
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,200
show up and right at our feet all of the

639
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,559
gear showed up

640
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,480
right there it just materialized at our

641
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,440
feet right before he was to go on stage

642
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,280
and alex hodges this matter says write

643
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,960
this down what's going on here you write

644
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,600
all this down you know so stevie said to

645
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,280
me he said listen i'm going to do a

646
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,120
special encore tonight for just you and

647
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,880
me and i really want you to shoot that

648
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:50,480
encore it's going to be a jimi hendrix

649
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,559
song okay so i'm shot the show and then

650
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,799
the encore was about to happen

651
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,559
and um

652
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,720
i picked up the camera he started to

653
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,640
play and it was like somebody had dipped

654
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,880
my hands in the camera into dry ice i

655
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,120
couldn't hardly touch the camera it was

656
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:08,640
so cold

657
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,880
and um i tried to shoot i got maybe

658
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:14,720
10 12 shots

659
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,760
i had to put the camera down and i left

660
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,120
and he kind of looked at me really

661
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:21,120
weirdly and then i went backstage and

662
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,480
the monitor's like dude you should be up

663
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,919
front cause stevie wanted you to shoot i

664
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,760
said you know look at my my hands i

665
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,280
can't feel anything

666
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:29,039
and when stevie finished the song he

667
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,400
came running up to me and said what

668
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:32,080
happened i said well look at my arms i

669
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,520
had all the goose bumps and he rolled up

670
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,280
his sleeve he said look at mine same

671
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,679
thing right and i said where were you

672
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,440
the night hendricks died and he goes

673
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:41,200
well i know what you mean man

674
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,320
so

675
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,760
he didn't want to go back in the

676
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,760
helicopters so

677
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,360
eric said anybody want to go back to

678
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,039
chicago early because stevie ray was

679
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,039
meant to be in the tour bus

680
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,799
and uh stevie said come on robert

681
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,240
willard down to bloody guys club and i'm

682
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,840
like no i don't want i got you know my

683
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,799
stuff

684
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,120
and you know all of this so they all

685
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,360
went off in the helicopter

686
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,919
and then that next morning i was at the

687
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,000
hotel and the alarm had gone off from a

688
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,400
previous guest and it said that eric

689
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,240
clapton had died in a helicopter crash

690
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,880
so i called that four seasons in chicago

691
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,039
called his room and alex hodges jr

692
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,559
answered the phone and said no robert it

693
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,840
was stevie

694
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,960
so that really traumatized me okay

695
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,679
and and so

696
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,400
you know it just really upset me and

697
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,840
obviously everybody was calling for

698
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,840
those photos and i didn't let them out

699
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,679
and um

700
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,039
and then

701
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,799
five years later i'm down in austin

702
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,039
texas driving back from a photo shoot

703
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,200
with terry bozio and i'm hearing a song

704
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,960
on the radio and it's a stevie ray

705
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,559
vaughan song i don't know and i'm like

706
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:47,279
well who what is this so i pulled my car

707
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,159
off

708
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,600
and um

709
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,279
listened to this song and they said

710
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,799
today's the fifth anniversary of the

711
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,039
death of stevie ray vaughan

712
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:56,480
so

713
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,240
looked where i was and i was in front of

714
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,000
laurel land cemetery which is where he

715
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,480
was buried so i drove in and it went to

716
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,840
the grave and

717
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,679
sort of talked to him and

718
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:09,760
and all of this and

719
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:12,840
it just became very traumatizing so

720
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,159
then years later i'm on the road with

721
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,799
john mayer and he's got stevie ray

722
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:20,480
vaughan's guitar tech working for him

723
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,520
now

724
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,600
and john mayer is a total freak for

725
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,760
stevie ray as is sheryl crow and i'm

726
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,760
telling him both the story

727
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,240
and then they both get up to leave to go

728
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,720
do the gig and the guitar text says to

729
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,240
me robert i want to talk to you for a

730
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,679
minute and i said okay and he says um

731
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,440
i've not told anybody this i don't want

732
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,960
to get him into trouble here but he said

733
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,279
basically when you were shooting that

734
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,120
encore and when you were shooting stevie

735
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,440
i went into the dressing room and he was

736
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,279
sitting in the dressing room and i was

737
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,039
talking to him but i could hear him

738
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,960
still on stage

739
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,840
and so

740
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,320
um that was

741
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,440
really weird so then i basically tracked

742
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,120
down everybody

743
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,840
band members dr john everybody that i

744
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,159
knew to find out their take on what had

745
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,600
gone down that night but the irony was

746
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,240
he died behind that hotel that i was

747
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,960
staying at they hit the ski jump

748
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,360
so that bad feeling he had about that

749
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,880
hotel

750
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,840
was probably you know precognitive you

751
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,200
know and um it was just one of the

752
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,960
weirder photo shoots it went from being

753
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,520
the most fantastic day where i shot him

754
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,600
and eric and the band and we had such a

755
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,840
good time to wear those pictures now

756
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,640
sort of haunting you know so

757
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,120
i guess you could say that was uh a lot

758
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:41,200
of synchronicity there

759
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,279
oh absolutely yeah that's extraordinary

760
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,840
yeah absolutely extraordinary now he

761
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,400
always signed his album soul to seoul

762
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,240
and so when i went back to all the

763
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,159
pictures i ever did a stevie and one of

764
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,480
the shows i did with jeff beck i have

765
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,000
three frames

766
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,679
where there's something going on where

767
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,440
it's like his life force is coming

768
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,679
through his chest through his face you

769
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,120
could just see you can see this thing

770
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,640
hit him in the back and then it just

771
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,120
comes out with rays all out the front

772
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,559
it's not a light leak because i know

773
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,039
what a light looks like there was no

774
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,559
light to the left of the stage when i

775
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,880
was shooting it that was leaking through

776
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,120
i showed how put off the photos he

777
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,960
looked at it said that's coherent light

778
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,640
but the light's bending and that doesn't

779
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:25,279
happen and you know it it it's a pretty

780
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,399
profound

781
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,320
just three frames

782
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,600
um

783
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,840
that you know that i managed to show

784
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,240
what i think is his essence flowing out

785
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:36,559
of him you know i mean

786
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,830
how's the bummer

787
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,840
no no no no no absolutely it's an

788
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,760
extraordinary it's an extraordinary

789
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,000
account it's amazing right you know and

790
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,159
then the irony is is his he was going to

791
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,640
be married to the girl from new zealand

792
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,510
immediately he was cut out she was cut

793
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,760
out of everything and tossed out in the

794
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,200
street more or less you know they were

795
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,480
living together in new york they were

796
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,720
about to be married she got nothing

797
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,440
she's back here in new zealand so

798
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,919
she she and i chat once in a while so

799
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:11,279
yeah

800
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,679
where you know things that you know when

801
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,919
i was young my obsession was a band

802
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
called the yard birds and i ended up

803
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,760
years later managing them and getting

804
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:25,760
them a record deal with steve

805
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,909
to play on that new yardbird album so

806
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:36,080
yeah yeah wow

807
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,039
so

808
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,200
does that still does it stay with you on

809
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:41,440
a daily basis or how often are you

810
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,600
thinking of that story i mean it's sad

811
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,840
[Applause]

812
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,600
stevie said something else to me that

813
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,679
night and he it was the last thing he

814
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,520
ever said to me and he knew he had

815
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,440
bummed me out with all the talk he said

816
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,919
listen to me if anything ever happens to

817
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,559
me you'll know me when you hear me

818
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,840
yeah and i didn't know what that meant

819
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:04,159
but then after stevie died

820
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,240
there was a huge number of 14 to 16 year

821
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,919
old boys that started to play guitar

822
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,480
that sounded like stevie ray vaughan so

823
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,240
in a sense i was hearing him

824
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,240
and when i did the movie rock prophecies

825
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,080
and that won a bunch of film festival

826
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:20,480
awards and the young director that did

827
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,279
it

828
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,799
i got all the old people that i've

829
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,320
worked in and you know i got jeff becky

830
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,399
and santana and slash all those cats are

831
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,240
in the movie but he asked me to find

832
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,159
young artists that nobody had ever heard

833
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,080
of put them in the movie as well and

834
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,000
maybe my working with them and helping

835
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,840
them they become something well one of

836
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,080
them was a kid named tyler bryant tyler

837
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,240
dale bryant who has gone on to be

838
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:41,840
something and the sick puppies who've

839
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,520
gone on to be something and

840
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,000
and so an honor because when that movie

841
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,760
came out i started being getting emails

842
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,200
from all these young guitar players

843
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,640
around the world saying can you help me

844
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,880
like you help tyler bryant so i went to

845
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,640
guitar center fender all the different

846
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,080
people that i worked with over the years

847
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:00,880
they put up the money and enabled me to

848
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,320
go around the world twice i have 150

849
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,799
young guitar players and drummers that i

850
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,360
mentor i helped get signed i helped get

851
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,600
record deals find producers

852
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,960
and it's called the brotherhood of the

853
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,679
guitar and that was my give back to the

854
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,840
death of stevie ray in honor of stevie

855
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,279
and eric clapton obviously did

856
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,399
crossroads which was stevie they did the

857
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,200
first one in dallas and you know he felt

858
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,960
bad too because you know was his

859
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,520
helicopter and he lost friends too

860
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,559
you know right

861
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,000
yeah

862
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:33,760
i have a lot of my own synchronicities

863
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,120
with you in that story um that we can

864
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,880
discuss sometime but

865
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:41,760
um everything from my first wife

866
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,039
uh to her my father-in-law was driving a

867
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,919
limo at at that same very thing and has

868
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,600
his own story about that as well and

869
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,240
he's a photographer and his photographer

870
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,720
took many pictures of my bands

871
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,880
my practice my practice spot in downtown

872
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,039
milwaukee that i was at for 10 years it

873
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:01,840
was demolished and abandoned upstairs

874
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,120
it was it's the old alpine uh offices

875
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:06,720
yeah for that venue

876
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,640
yeah um so um yeah there's lots of stuff

877
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:13,039
like that so it's pretty pretty pretty

878
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,399
weird stuff

879
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,240
are you still having experiences these

880
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,760
days or

881
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,360
you know new zealand is an interesting

882
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
place you know one of the things that

883
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,799
i've noticed as you know i've been in a

884
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,240
hundred countries because i was also a

885
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,159
significant travel photographer and i

886
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,919
was able to

887
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,159
photograph in my time off all of the

888
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,080
mystery places on planet earth i've been

889
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
able to go to most of them from the

890
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,240
pyramids to malta to

891
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,279
machu picchu to bali to remote locations

892
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,039
all over the world and i've documented

893
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:43,600
all of these places looking for clues of

894
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,789
you know i

895
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,120
how do you say it i don't know

896
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:57,840
yeah rephrase the question again for me

897
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,840
there

898
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,679
but i don't know

899
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:04,320
when's the last paranormal thing uh well

900
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,200
no but

901
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,880
yeah the point i was trying to get to is

902
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,960
that there are spots on the world that

903
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,720
are more active than others very much

904
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,559
like skin walkers and active spots but

905
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:15,600
i've also seen spots like bali i've seen

906
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,880
spots like that in native american um

907
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,000
areas hawaii growing up in hawaii is an

908
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,000
incredibly active

909
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,159
spirit world much like haiti because

910
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,679
there's a tremendous belief system in

911
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:29,760
the local indigenous people the hawaiian

912
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,960
culture with kahunas and spirits and you

913
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,960
know these sort of things and new

914
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,640
zealand

915
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,799
has that here with because i think the

916
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,799
maori are descendants of hawaiians i

917
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,960
think that they've come down from hawaii

918
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,720
by a tahiti

919
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,399
there is a lot of that mystical stuff

920
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,559
here but i'm not having experiences at

921
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,399
the house or things like that a lot of

922
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,600
that

923
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,360
dropped off but

924
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,640
a lot of it may have to do with

925
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,960
understanding because through my cameras

926
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,480
through the passport of my camera and

927
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,240
trying to understand

928
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,200
that ufo sighting back in the day

929
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,360
i was able to track down who i thought

930
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,519
was the inner circle of the key guys and

931
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,080
i befriended them and and you know john

932
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,399
alexander thanks to john alexander who i

933
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,679
met

934
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,679
and then i actually lived for 15 years

935
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,080
in las vegas and saw him regularly he

936
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,320
and i built a website uh together called

937
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,080
the warriors path and he had a book

938
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,320
called the warriors path and he said i

939
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,200
want you to photograph these 25 guys and

940
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,519
you can ask them anything you want they

941
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,120
won't lie to you

942
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000
but if they if there's some area that

943
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,840
they can't answer you they'll just say i

944
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,840
can't tell you so i got to meet

945
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,480
everybody that's how i met kit hal

946
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,080
ed mitchell

947
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,480
you know john dale from los alamos i

948
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,240
mean literally john alexander opened the

949
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,720
door and then he sponsored me to join

950
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,440
appio las vegas that's the american

951
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,240
federation of intelligence officers

952
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,960
you know and i got to meet

953
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,919
current and past intelligence officers i

954
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,480
met the base commander at area 51 i met

955
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,519
td barnes who was in charge of all the

956
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,240
cia planes flying in and out of area 51

957
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,560
so i got to know a lot of those people

958
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:13,520
and i got invited with a hundred spooks

959
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,960
to go on a tour of the nevada test site

960
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,480
[Laughter]

961
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,240
you know including creech air force base

962
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,159
which was amazing to watch all these

963
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,679
sort of you know nsa cia guys lifting

964
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,440
the plane going underneath that i mean

965
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,000
they're actually you know and um that

966
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,520
was interesting and then to drive all

967
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,119
around the test site and see a lot of

968
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,639
very strange things and of course i was

969
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,320
the only one on the bus would go what's

970
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,839
that over there they'd say we don't talk

971
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,750
we got within six miles of the bottom of

972
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,839
area 51 and a crater there that was

973
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,599
probably the largest

974
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,679
atom bomb they ever blew up

975
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,440
and it's just it's like being on the

976
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,200
moon there's a giant crater still

977
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,399
radioactive and um

978
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,920
you know we were just to the south there

979
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,480
but you know i used to go out to the

980
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,440
area 51 long before it became a thing

981
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,440
um i went out there one night with john

982
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,400
alexander with some night vision goggles

983
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,560
and we had stopped at the little alien

984
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,480
for lunch dinner whatever and then we

985
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,240
went off into an area that i knew we

986
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,920
were looking in the night sky and the

987
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,599
next morning he got a call from langley

988
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,520
going john what were you guys doing out

989
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,200
there you know

990
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,119
how did robert like his fish burger at

991
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,240
the alien you know i mean they knew it

992
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,920
going on

993
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,839
but it was dude

994
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,000
it was through john that i met kit and

995
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,040
um

996
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,800
i got a good rock and roll story with

997
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,280
kit too i mean you know

998
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,200
yeah keep it going yeah i hope you're

999
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,280
here i'd love to hear a good kit rock

1000
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,560
and roll story that sounds awesome well

1001
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,560
it's actually quite funny because um

1002
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,839
well i got a call one day and they

1003
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,760
wanted to know if my buddy steve vi was

1004
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,240
into ufos and aliens i said why and he

1005
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,000
said well he's got an album called alien

1006
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,520
love child

1007
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,880
and i went i'll ask him you know so

1008
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,720
they seem to be fans and so i called

1009
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,400
steve and

1010
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,320
there was no particular connection there

1011
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,079
with him being interested in aliens or

1012
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,079
alien love child he just called it that

1013
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,870
world but um i had a friend that

1014
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,640
was a very high wealth individual that

1015
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,720
had his own private jet

1016
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,760
and

1017
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:18,960
kick green

1018
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,160
and john alexander wanted him and steve

1019
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,160
i to come back to wayne state university

1020
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,720
at detroit because kit wanted to pitch

1021
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,800
them on something that he thought steve

1022
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,480
i would be interested in for the music

1023
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,320
industry i'm not going to go into that

1024
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:33,920
because that's kind of interesting in

1025
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,040
its own right but we went back there and

1026
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,839
he was showing us

1027
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,680
fmri and um

1028
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,280
my buddy

1029
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,119
volunteered to go in it

1030
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,720
instead of the one person that was a

1031
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,000
student they were putting in it because

1032
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,359
he wanted to make sure this thing was

1033
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,520
real not rigged so he went in it and

1034
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,520
they put earphones on and they did an

1035
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,599
fmri while he listened to eminem's

1036
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,960
version of kim

1037
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,440
which is an ultra violent song

1038
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,359
and you could see the brain waves going

1039
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,320
off the chart looking for really extreme

1040
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:06,000
music by eminem

1041
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:07,359
and

1042
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,920
me a briefing or talk to me a little bit

1043
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,599
you know kind of off the record so while

1044
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,280
a bunch of tests were going on he tapped

1045
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,280
me in the shoulder and we went down in

1046
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,119
the sub-basement of the

1047
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:27,760
facility into a faraday cage as it were

1048
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,599
and had an interesting conversation and

1049
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:32,079
then came back up before anybody missed

1050
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,800
us

1051
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,119
and then that night a whole lot of them

1052
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,640
came to the steve i concert that was

1053
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,880
going to try

1054
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,720
but steve passed on the idea that they

1055
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,079
had he didn't

1056
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,400
he said you know she and i need is the

1057
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,160
million dollars i need to break a new

1058
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,640
artist i don't need anything other than

1059
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,119
being able to how to get radio airplay

1060
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:52,800
you know

1061
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,640
time when joe firmage was around in a

1062
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,720
thing who ended up over at the sagan

1063
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,800
institute as it were and we were hanging

1064
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,839
around this was able to get joe firmage

1065
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,760
um and all of them into a rolling stone

1066
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,880
concert

1067
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:11,520
wow that was pretty cool

1068
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,109
sean did you have something yeah i was

1069
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,960
just going to go there too yeah this is

1070
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,440
a great question how has your view of

1071
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,160
the phenomenon evolved from meeting all

1072
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,480
these inner circle guys what have you

1073
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,560
learned well it's interesting because

1074
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,599
you know

1075
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,480
because i'm not a scientist and i'm not

1076
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,040
you know necessarily a ufologist i might

1077
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,720
look at it a little differently than

1078
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,079
most people and i think that's what they

1079
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,040
enjoy about my being around it and

1080
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,520
that's what ingo really enjoyed too was

1081
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,200
that i had a different sort of take on

1082
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,440
it but the guy that i actually thought

1083
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
had the best grip on all of this

1084
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,560
was jacques vallee

1085
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,200
and you noticed valet was absent on a

1086
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:57,680
lot of that atip stuff you didn't see

1087
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,440
him associated with tom and um

1088
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,119
you know but he's now with the with the

1089
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,280
galileo project but he's into

1090
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,359
information science he's not interested

1091
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,760
in the military applications of stuff

1092
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,200
and he thinks it should be turned over

1093
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,200
to the scientists

1094
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,359
you know one of the burning questions

1095
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,079
that i've always had with hal and with

1096
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,400
all these guys when i meet them is

1097
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,119
if this is an advanced

1098
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,359
group of people from some distant planet

1099
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,599
what's wrong with their technology

1100
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,640
because in 1947 qantas airlines was

1101
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,599
formed in australia and since 1947

1102
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,720
qantas has never had an airplane crash

1103
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,800
what is wrong with these ufos that

1104
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,320
they're falling out of the skies i

1105
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,400
remember being bob

1106
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,880
bob wood and his son and they were doing

1107
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:46,160
all of that and he said oh there's been

1108
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,079
70 crashes and i'm like 70

1109
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,839
little things i wouldn't go near them

1110
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,520
you know that's like the worst worse

1111
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,520
than one of those north korean airliners

1112
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,280
you know are flying on garuda or

1113
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,560
something you know

1114
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,240
so it's like i'm not getting anywhere

1115
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,800
near that but i never understood

1116
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,640
why they crashed because you know you

1117
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,440
know obviously 747s which are not

1118
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,280
advanced to go across the universe have

1119
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,800
radar and they were able to avoid

1120
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,720
thunderstorms so why did this thing

1121
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,800
crash at roswell oh a thunderstorm i'm

1122
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,359
like oh really so you kind of look at

1123
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,520
that bigger picture and go

1124
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,680
well why what's going on here and both

1125
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,800
hal and

1126
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,440
and ballet have both said when i ask

1127
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,359
them point blank why do they crash and

1128
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,880
it's like they don't

1129
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,560
then what's going on

1130
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,720
theater

1131
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,640
manipulation

1132
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,359
you know i mean

1133
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,359
it's some of it's just nonsensical when

1134
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,040
you stand back and you look at it and

1135
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,280
you go wait what you know

1136
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,680
it seems kind of absurd you know and and

1137
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,599
it's like it's sort of like the idea

1138
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,200
that when you're dead and you come back

1139
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,960
and you make things move in a house like

1140
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
oh you make a wine bottle move or a

1141
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,040
rustle here russell there so being old

1142
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,960
must be dead must be really boring

1143
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:58,400
because this is what you got to do you

1144
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,319
know you hang out and scare people

1145
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,400
so you know the poultry guys thing is an

1146
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,720
interesting thing too so i don't know so

1147
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,160
it's that's why it's the kind of an

1148
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:10,640
enigma that keeps evolving but when i

1149
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,359
first started diving into the ufo as a

1150
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,440
topic i didn't want to know about any

1151
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,400
sighting after 1947. i wanted to hear

1152
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,119
about the sightings that preceded that

1153
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,720
you know i wanted to hear what happened

1154
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,119
in the 1800s the press reports you could

1155
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,280
find them in the san francisco chronicle

1156
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,599
and the la times and they came in as

1157
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,000
airships off the pacific ocean

1158
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,000
you know and they had big spotlights

1159
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,000
that they would shine down and they'd

1160
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,839
throw a ladder over and come down and

1161
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,319
swipe cows and stuff i mean you know

1162
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,079
it's really weird so

1163
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,880
it seems like the phenomena is morphing

1164
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,440
as we evolve it evolves but it always

1165
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,680
evolves slightly

1166
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,680
ahead of power curve you know what i

1167
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,640
mean so maybe it's consciousness itself

1168
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,880
and when i talked to sean one of my

1169
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,839
favorite old movies was forbidden planet

1170
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,599
where they land on this planet and

1171
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,760
there's an ai type of device then it

1172
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:05,280
amplified

1173
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,440
dreams their nightmares and the thing

1174
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,880
was basically these people were being

1175
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,880
attacked by themselves from their own

1176
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,160
subconscious

1177
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,560
and it's sort of weird like a lot of

1178
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,560
this stuff is very personal

1179
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,880
and you know if somebody said to me hey

1180
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,920
would you like to go hang out the

1181
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,400
skinwalker ranch no i don't want any

1182
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:27,670
you know

1183
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,720
that are really right at the cutting

1184
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,359
edge of what's going on

1185
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,880
is there an answer i said well i'm going

1186
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,560
to tell you something they're still

1187
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,240
searching

1188
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,520
i don't know any of them that are going

1189
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,720
i'm going to retire now because i

1190
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,040
figured it out they keep looking they

1191
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,440
keep trying to get a grasp on it and

1192
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,119
then every time you talk to them there's

1193
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,359
another layer or thought idea you know

1194
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,359
first it was extraterrestrials then it

1195
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,599
was ultra terrestrials and you know

1196
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,359
there's all these

1197
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,680
possibilities opening up as we

1198
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,680
understand quantum entanglement and

1199
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,480
quantum physics you know so when i met

1200
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,800
ingo and i met cleve baxter and all of

1201
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,160
these interesting people in the vermont

1202
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,839
viewing community you really begin to

1203
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,680
understand how quantum entanglement

1204
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,800
works

1205
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,960
and how you can affect something at a

1206
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,960
distance that you should not be able to

1207
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,640
you know and uri geller is another one

1208
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,079
he could

1209
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,680
ingo had was able to manipulate a

1210
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,240
machine buried underground in colorado a

1211
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,720
thousand miles away he said tell me when

1212
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,400
you want me to do it and he would do it

1213
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,599
and then the machine would register his

1214
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,400
manipulation of it you know so

1215
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,760
it's a terrible

1216
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,680
you know and i think as we understand

1217
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,599
quantum entanglement and quantum physics

1218
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,000
more there's even more possibilities of

1219
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,319
what this could be you know but in this

1220
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,079
connected consciousness there's no doubt

1221
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,280
that this is

1222
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,599
is part of consciousness itself you know

1223
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,440
it it definitely seems that way

1224
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,920
especially you know and and the idea

1225
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,599
that as you're talking about you know

1226
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,520
the possibilities of extraterrestrials

1227
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,520
ultra-terrestrials crypto terrestrials

1228
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,119
interdimensionals what however you want

1229
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,720
to put and then

1230
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,520
and

1231
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:09,520
the idea that

1232
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,520
even that uh let's say um not not to

1233
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,240
make it more mundane at all but those

1234
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,480
situations like what happened with at

1235
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,760
stevie ray that you know that one could

1236
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,000
make a hypothesis that there was al

1237
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,640
there are a lot of precognitive warnings

1238
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,720
associated that with that that may have

1239
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,040
been kind of affecting the whole crew in

1240
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,560
a way right that it might have been kind

1241
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,319
of i've talked about it with some of the

1242
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,599
musicians i want to say who but

1243
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,839
basically you feel guilty you could have

1244
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,640
said

1245
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,760
wouldn't have done the photo shoot with

1246
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,319
stevie ray would he still be alive

1247
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,680
right that you've taken some kind of

1248
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,599
responsibility onto yourself like you

1249
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,119
had some causal effect on it but the

1250
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,800
reality is

1251
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,960
everything that led up to your

1252
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,119
life led up to that moment and if one of

1253
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,319
those things would have been out of

1254
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,880
order right so i'm a fanatic about

1255
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,760
catching airplanes and being way early

1256
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,119
so i don't miss

1257
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,920
twice in my life i've missed planes

1258
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,760
out of my control missed them and both

1259
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,680
times they crashed

1260
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,119
wow wow

1261
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,800
i would have been on that double amazing

1262
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,680
bro

1263
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,680
crashed in dallas texas

1264
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,680
because i was down in florida and i was

1265
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:19,040
a terrible rainstorm and i couldn't get

1266
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,160
to the airport then i was on a

1267
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,640
continental flight that aborted takeoff

1268
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,000
and a whole lot of things happened and

1269
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,319
people died in the lax area so i mean

1270
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,800
that is weird you know

1271
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,800
that's very very strange

1272
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,880
one of the um you were mentioning

1273
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,440
earlier yeah it's amazing one you were

1274
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,280
mentioning earlier that ingo was telling

1275
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,079
you about how 98

1276
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,960
of of life is the noise and the one to

1277
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,520
two percent is the signal you know and

1278
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,520
it sounds you know every story that

1279
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,839
you've told so far today it just sounds

1280
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,640
like

1281
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,720
if anybody's got that one to two percent

1282
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,800
of signal it's you my friend that's

1283
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,880
amazing you know

1284
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
conduit i mean in a way because the guy

1285
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,440
that did the movie rock prophecies john

1286
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,920
chester he read a book by malcolm

1287
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,760
gladwell called something to do with

1288
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,200
super connecting and he said what you've

1289
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,440
been able to do in your life is to

1290
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,599
basically be a conduit for this guy to

1291
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:13,599
be into that guy one of the things i

1292
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,960
sent sean in advance because i wanted to

1293
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,000
prove

1294
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,160
that i had been advising and giving

1295
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,000
information to tom delong since 2011

1296
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,240
and when tom came to vegas on one of the

1297
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,880
blink 182 tours my buddy dustin arranged

1298
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,960
for him and i to get together a lot of

1299
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,800
musicians will reach out to me that have

1300
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,160
an interesting in this field i don't

1301
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,760
want to name them right now but quite a

1302
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,160
few but tom sat down with me for three

1303
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,079
hours before a blink show and we talked

1304
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,319
about what his goal or what he was

1305
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,079
trying to do

1306
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,240
and he told me the list of people he was

1307
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,480
talking to and i said yeah i'd tear that

1308
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,480
list up i wouldn't talk to those people

1309
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,240
i feel they've been compromised or i

1310
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,400
feel they're on another agenda you need

1311
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,480
to know this guy this guy this guy this

1312
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,640
guy he says well i don't know those guys

1313
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
so what i did with sean is i've sent him

1314
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,640
a few of the emails that tom asked me he

1315
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,800
said can you introduce me to pal can you

1316
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,880
introduce me to nap can you introduce me

1317
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,560
to ptt um titty barnes you know and i

1318
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,880
did make calls on the behalf of that and

1319
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,200
then everything played out but i think

1320
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,440
his his heart was in the right place you

1321
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,599
know i mean i really liked tom and what

1322
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,079
he was thinking the problem is anytime

1323
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,680
you get a rock star starting to talk

1324
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:25,200
about anything

1325
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,400
that's

1326
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,960
on the edge whether it be ufos or any

1327
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,319
kind of phenomena people are going yeah

1328
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,000
i took too many drugs you know what i

1329
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,000
mean so it's like you're already your

1330
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,280
name is sort of somewhat problematic

1331
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,880
of being a rock star there's like oh

1332
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,800
yeah i bet you saw ufos you know and

1333
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,040
everything else you know

1334
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:45,680
are you saying you introduced tom to

1335
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,559
like the people he started ttsa with

1336
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,440
basically i introduced via email and

1337
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:52,480
phone call

1338
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,280
to

1339
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,119
several key people and what he did with

1340
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,040
that and what he said after that was up

1341
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,040
to tom but i sent you the emails it

1342
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,559
showed you that but i was already

1343
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,119
emailing him in 2011

1344
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,359
yeah you know and and so then when he

1345
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,200
did come to vegas and then you know

1346
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,040
there was he obviously hooked up with

1347
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,960
those people because suddenly academy to

1348
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,040
the stars and then i called helen

1349
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,200
i guess this is happening you know

1350
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,520
and um hal is a really really good

1351
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,520
friend and he's a family friend my wife

1352
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,920
and his wife get on very well and

1353
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,680
my wife by the way is a trained remote

1354
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,119
viewer i never wanted to have anything

1355
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:26,480
to do with it

1356
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,440
but

1357
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,040
really that's why

1358
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,800
some people want to know and i think

1359
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,319
that's why ingo and i are friends and

1360
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,160
that's why jeff beck and i are friends

1361
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,839
because the first thing jeff said to me

1362
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,119
when i would hang out with him do you

1363
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:39,440
play guitar no do you want to play

1364
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,290
guitar no great you can hang out

1365
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,640
[Laughter]

1366
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,480
approved i wanted to learn remote

1367
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,200
viewing you know so

1368
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,800
that's a good question are you a remote

1369
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:51,680
viewer

1370
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:52,559
no

1371
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,480
and through indo

1372
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,960
watched it develop what it is you know

1373
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
and yeah uh

1374
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,960
by the way i mean you know i don't want

1375
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,200
to blow my own horn here but ed dames

1376
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,599
came out to la from los alamos or

1377
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,599
albuquerque wherever he was back in the

1378
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,400
day

1379
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,240
and he said i'm supposed to do something

1380
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,920
i remote viewed you what am i supposed

1381
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,040
to do

1382
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,440
and i said um well i don't know i mean

1383
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,160
like that's weird why why he said no you

1384
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,839
tell me what it is i'm supposed to do

1385
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,680
and i thought about it and i said you

1386
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:27,680
need to go on art bell

1387
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,630
he said well he's got about 15 million

1388
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,160
people that listen to him at night and

1389
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,599
this is right up his alley and uh he

1390
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,359
said well can you make that happen and

1391
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,720
so i made a phone call to a friend of

1392
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,960
arts and ed went on

1393
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,880
and that whole thing

1394
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,160
exploded

1395
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,160
of being part of the vernacular i'm a

1396
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,240
remote viewer a lot of people claim to

1397
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,040
it and you know this and that but

1398
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,160
through that um you know ed suddenly had

1399
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,760
a voice

1400
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,960
so then a few months later he said to me

1401
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,119
what else am i supposed to do and i said

1402
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
can you train remote viewing by a video

1403
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,480
and he said that's a great idea so then

1404
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,559
he produced a very

1405
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,520
very

1406
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,720
good

1407
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,400
amount of money i think was generated

1408
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,559
from those remote

1409
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,880
everything else but um

1410
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:24,240
you know

1411
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,839
it's an interesting guy and the thing i

1412
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,520
used to love about art bell when i used

1413
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,520
to listen that show he didn't care

1414
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,760
whether you were the biggest liar or

1415
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:33,920
whatever he was like you just tell your

1416
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,990
it's like i'm a time traveler great come

1417
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,079
on you know

1418
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,319
you would hear that'll bring in ratings

1419
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,280
unbelievable things you know

1420
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,119
absolutely there's a spirit of

1421
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,880
non-judgment there that

1422
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,640
well i mean i think it's also a lot to

1423
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,480
do with ratings you know because if you

1424
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,000
can

1425
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,599
there's a big noise here it's a garbage

1426
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,160
truck coming there but um

1427
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,400
yeah he's uh he's interesting but you

1428
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,920
know ingo never said an unkind word

1429
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,440
about him but you know i learned from

1430
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,440
ingo who who was a good remote viewer

1431
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,880
who wasn't and

1432
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,920
and um yeah very interesting i got to

1433
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,599
watch a lot of people remove you and i

1434
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,559
got to watch people be trained

1435
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,640
that's that's amazing

1436
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,280
i mean it's incredible to i mean just

1437
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,800
the amount

1438
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:23,599
that

1439
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:29,280
at like 16 years old to be a fly on the

1440
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,480
wall for these situations and then

1441
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,119
and then people over time looked at you

1442
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,960
and were like oh you're you're the guy

1443
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,559
that's the fly on the wall right over

1444
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,720
here sir you know what i mean well that

1445
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:43,119
actually happened because when the irva

1446
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,240
which is the international remote

1447
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,079
viewing association

1448
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,400
when they formed

1449
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,720
it was an alamogordo new mexico

1450
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,040
interesting place at lynn buchanan's

1451
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,480
house and they had their first ever

1452
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,240
meeting and i was up there to take

1453
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,640
pictures but i wasn't going to be in the

1454
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,040
meeting well john alexander went in and

1455
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,240
talked to everybody and they basically

1456
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,920
agreed that i could come in

1457
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,440
and listen

1458
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,119
as long as i didn't say anything you

1459
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:10,240
know

1460
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,440
so

1461
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,359
i got to listen to this formation and

1462
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,960
everybody's there including people that

1463
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,200
you don't associate with you know i

1464
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:19,119
think like stephen schwartz maybe

1465
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,559
jessica utz

1466
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,160
targ was definitely there put off was

1467
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:24,079
there i mean it was an illustrious group

1468
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,119
of guys

1469
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,280
but um

1470
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,520
i got to watch that i got to watch that

1471
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,200
form and i got to watch that whole thing

1472
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,640
and that was a very interesting process

1473
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
and i got to go to quite a few of the

1474
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,680
irba

1475
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,240
things where i apparently met bob

1476
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,160
bigelow didn't realize i had met him

1477
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,160
[Laughter]

1478
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,200
what's your name again sir

1479
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,640
i wanted to meet him one time and he

1480
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,000
said i've already met you i was with

1481
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,839
ingo but i've already met you robert so

1482
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,319
it was like okay

1483
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,000
i've heard he's a i've heard he's a

1484
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:55,839
pretty gentle and subtle person in

1485
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,319
person not not super presumptuous but i

1486
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,400
haven't met him myself that's really um

1487
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,160
you know i have a weird thing that

1488
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,319
happened to me again like there's always

1489
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,920
weird things happening to me i get this

1490
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,839
phone call from my friend who actually

1491
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,079
saw the ufo with me when we were kids

1492
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,680
and he was living in colorado and he

1493
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,440
says do you know bob bigelow and i says

1494
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,960
well i don't know bob bigelow but i

1495
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,440
certainly know people that know him he

1496
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,520
says well there's a sheriff up here and

1497
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,200
he wants to talk to bob because he's got

1498
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,680
a message from his son i said okay i

1499
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,240
didn't know a lot about bob bigelow and

1500
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,920
so i said okay let me make a call so i

1501
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,319
called john alexander and i said uh john

1502
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,160
there's a guy in

1503
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,920
colorado and here's his number he's a

1504
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,599
sheriff he's got a message from

1505
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,160
bigelow's son he said okay

1506
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,760
and he said thank you and i said well

1507
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,559
are you surprised he's just his son's

1508
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,000
dead

1509
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:45,599
i'm like oh

1510
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,960
sorry i mean i had no idea so obviously

1511
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,319
i don't know if john ever brought him

1512
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,680
the thing but i mean that might have

1513
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,000
been a sore subject but i think it's

1514
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,559
also why bob bigelow is very interested

1515
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:59,040
in near-dust studies and you know he's

1516
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,400
got a thing up at the university of

1517
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,240
nevada you know

1518
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,960
studying near death and john is a expert

1519
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,640
at near-death i think he's probably one

1520
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,040
of the few people that have a degree in

1521
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,280
in that whole world and i've met a lot

1522
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,680
of interesting characters through john

1523
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,200
alexander

1524
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,200
roger lear who was taking implants out

1525
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,720
of people john and i met him one night

1526
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,400
he was showing us all the table full of

1527
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,160
stuff he pulled out of people i mean i

1528
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,559
really have gotten to meet the people

1529
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,119
that with all the stories are you know

1530
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,440
being told now about you know

1531
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:30,800
absolutely

1532
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,839
you're the epitome of what it means to

1533
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:35,520
be a witness citizen

1534
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,549
yeah speaking of which i've i've got a

1535
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:44,319
question if that's all right sean yeah

1536
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,040
um

1537
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,720
no cool

1538
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,160
yeah um

1539
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,760
you were you were talking earlier you

1540
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,079
know i mean you were speaking kind of

1541
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,240
about you know the consciousness field

1542
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,760
valet and this idea that a lot of this

1543
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,200
communication

1544
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,359
with quote unquote the phenomena or

1545
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:02,960
non-human intelligence however you want

1546
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,079
to frame these things um often acts as a

1547
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,400
mirror you know and some people some

1548
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,720
people think you know and i may be one

1549
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:12,960
of them or kind of you know put it on

1550
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,079
and put it on for size that uh you know

1551
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,680
when we're talking to each other it's

1552
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,880
like we're looking at each other's

1553
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,680
computer desktop and the phenomena kind

1554
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,920
of looks straight into the hard drive

1555
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,400
instead of kind of looking at the face

1556
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,200
or the surface conscious level right

1557
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,160
and so um along those lines though at

1558
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,280
the same time you're saying earlier that

1559
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,880
people have been attracted to you over

1560
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,680
the years partially because you don't do

1561
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,240
drugs because you are a sober person and

1562
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,160
that and the effects of that so that

1563
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,119
makes you an a unique witness to a lot

1564
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:49,520
of these situations starting with

1565
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,400
um that those paranormal and um and uso

1566
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,480
situations back all the way back in

1567
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,040
hawaii right yeah so no different what

1568
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,040
these guys saw and uh you know off the

1569
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,720
coast of kent you know

1570
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,760
catalina island right yeah so so that

1571
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,440
brings me to my question which is you

1572
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,960
know you're talking about bali you

1573
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,480
talking about the pyramids stuff like

1574
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,119
this and the idea that there could be

1575
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,480
kind of local spirits like the idea of

1576
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:19,119
those that hawaiian situation do you

1577
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,079
find

1578
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,079
have you found that in these different

1579
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,720
sites that you felt like there was a

1580
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,319
very different

1581
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,680
um

1582
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,839
a different phenomena associated with

1583
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,839
different places or that you are you are

1584
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,079
encountering a different personality

1585
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,400
almost like a personality or

1586
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,319
yes no i mean

1587
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,520
definitely in bali because

1588
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,280
there is a phenomenon when i went first

1589
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,440
went to bali it was in the 70s okay so

1590
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,040
it wasn't a big tourist thing at the

1591
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,640
point there was still mud roads and

1592
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,079
stuff but

1593
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,880
twice a month these villages would have

1594
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,720
this ceremony where they become the

1595
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,559
entire village would become possessed by

1596
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,599
demons

1597
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,040
that's what they said

1598
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:00,880
and so they went through this ritual to

1599
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,520
prepare themselves and i asked somebody

1600
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,760
that i knew can i photograph this can i

1601
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:07,760
be there and he said well you're gonna

1602
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,720
have to wear a special sash if the sash

1603
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,640
comes off you could potentially be

1604
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,119
killed but as long as you have this sash

1605
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:16,880
on you will not be harmed and i thought

1606
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,160
well that is out there so anyway we

1607
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,160
i went to this kind of remote village

1608
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,839
and the people were spinning their heads

1609
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,599
kind of like a metallica concert you

1610
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,480
know uh and and they were getting into a

1611
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,960
trance state and then they would get you

1612
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,480
could see their eyes you could see that

1613
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,799
there was something in their body and

1614
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,480
they would charge each other with these

1615
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,799
big knives trying to puncture their

1616
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:41,280
throats and the demon inside of them was

1617
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,200
so strong it couldn't puncture the skin

1618
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,280
and this was all going on this chaotic

1619
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:49,200
thing of people wigging out with knives

1620
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,559
and everything and i'm standing in the

1621
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:51,920
middle of the whole thing you know which

1622
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:55,040
was really crazy and then i watched the

1623
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,160
shaman

1624
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,200
take his hands and not touch

1625
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,599
and make wood catch fire he had such

1626
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,000
strong energy coming from the palms of

1627
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,720
his hands he could ignite fire and i

1628
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,079
just thought if that was happening in

1629
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,760
new york it would be on the front page

1630
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,960
of the paper

1631
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,680
it's like a daily occurrence you know

1632
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,599
and then you you know when i talked to

1633
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,760
when i went down into africa and i i was

1634
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,760
out with the maasai people for a couple

1635
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,599
weeks there's stuff down there that goes

1636
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,680
on that would blow your mind and then

1637
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,440
you have the dogon which is an

1638
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,599
interesting story here the dogon people

1639
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,960
believe that they are from sirius b

1640
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,440
a binary star system

1641
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:35,599
and so do certain people in the

1642
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,799
aboriginal community in australia they

1643
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,280
believe they're from cirrus b

1644
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,040
and they've believed this for a very

1645
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,839
long time however we didn't even spot

1646
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,000
cirrus b until relatively recently when

1647
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,960
our telescopes got better so i have a

1648
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:53,599
friend i can't say his name but i grew

1649
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,240
up with him and he is now a major

1650
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,160
character at lockheed

1651
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,040
skunk works and whatnot and he works

1652
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,480
in the area that would probably be the

1653
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,520
most of interest to us and a long time

1654
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,079
friend and one night we were in big sur

1655
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,079
we drank several bottles of wine and it

1656
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:11,920
was totally again

1657
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,400
cloudless stars everywhere

1658
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,839
and i just said

1659
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,760
point to the one that's all i want you

1660
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,559
to do i know you get though just point

1661
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,480
so he pointed and he said to me the

1662
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:25,119
dogon were right

1663
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,470
maybe he was joshing me i don't know

1664
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:32,400
these guys are really really

1665
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,839
trained at tradecraft of how to deflect

1666
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,559
people you know the story

1667
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,079
and you know uh

1668
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,400
td barnes who you know like i said he

1669
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,319
worked out at area 51 and he was in

1670
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,160
charge of all the spy planes and

1671
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,400
everything he told me that one time just

1672
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,640
a screw with the russians they cut out a

1673
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,040
very weird pattern

1674
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,280
out of cardboard and they got a hair

1675
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,359
dryer with a really long

1676
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,440
lead and they went out and they took the

1677
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:01,200
hairdryer and went all the way around

1678
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,480
this cutout

1679
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,799
so that when the russian ir satellite

1680
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,799
would fly over it would see this heat

1681
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,640
signature of a plane that didn't exist

1682
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
that would send them off into some other

1683
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,200
path thinking we had made a breakthrough

1684
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,760
and you know it should be designed like

1685
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,440
this and then you know they put a big

1686
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,960
skunk on the roof of the lockheed

1687
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,480
building in palmdale so when the

1688
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,160
satellites come over they can see that

1689
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,160
and so there's a lot of that going back

1690
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,920
and forth you know there was a lockheed

1691
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,440
aircraft the other day

1692
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,079
area 51 that inadvertently got picked up

1693
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,440
in a satellite i saw that yeah yeah

1694
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,960
somebody asked me what do you think that

1695
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,720
is i said well first of all they know

1696
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,960
the time of every satellite coming over

1697
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,400
and the only reason they would have put

1698
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,240
that out there if they wanted someone to

1699
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,960
see it probably one particular guy in

1700
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:46,880
russia they want to see it

1701
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:47,680
you know

1702
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,119
what you think about ukraine well

1703
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,760
uh i gotcha you don't know you don't

1704
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:55,680
know what is going on because the

1705
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,880
stories they spin to cover other stories

1706
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,920
you know

1707
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,079
there's usually a classified project

1708
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,079
around some strange ufo story in the

1709
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,520
news there's actually a classified

1710
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,880
project that may have had a leak or

1711
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,119
accidentally got seen or you know i mean

1712
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,640
so it's really kind of hard to wade

1713
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,480
through all that

1714
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:13,839
yeah well that makes you wonder about

1715
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,880
the navy videos and stuff you know

1716
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,960
well i mean the thing that that blows my

1717
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,960
mind that nobody's actually brought up i

1718
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,559
brought it up on john's little group

1719
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,920
that you and i are members of the other

1720
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,359
day

1721
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,799
i heard one of the pilots say that

1722
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,040
within not a very short order air force

1723
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:31,280
guys showed up and took the tapes

1724
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,000
right

1725
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,680
well why what's the air force have to do

1726
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,680
with the navy and why are they what

1727
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,359
authorization does the air force have to

1728
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:39,119
do to take the tapes off the ship and

1729
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,640
then one of the ships apparently had to

1730
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,520
go into ensenada to get back up tapes to

1731
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:45,520
replace the ones that had been taken you

1732
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:51,030
such a wild scenario

1733
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,480
um

1734
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,799
amazing well we're getting towards the

1735
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,200
end of the hour here i hope it wasn't

1736
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,280
all over the place but i know right i

1737
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,119
loved it because it was

1738
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,599
yeah absolutely the cool part robert is

1739
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,079
that like you have way too many stories

1740
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:08,400
for one show um yeah i think

1741
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,280
like i

1742
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,720
shawn what do you think i mean i think

1743
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,400
we should yeah we gotta

1744
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:14,799
we gotta do a part two at some point

1745
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,430
well if you're down we'd love to have

1746
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,760
you back yeah no really yep

1747
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,319
this is awesome

1748
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,319
i feel like remember those old maxell

1749
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,839
commercials with the guy and the

1750
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,760
recliner and he's like oh yeah he's got

1751
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,480
his

1752
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,000
hair's blown back and everything like

1753
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,160
that from the stereo speakers i feel

1754
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:35,839
like i got an hour of that from you in

1755
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,880
this conversation in the best way

1756
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,880
yeah i mean i hope i didn't offend

1757
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,720
anybody because you know i don't mean to

1758
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:44,240
but you know there's some guys out there

1759
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,280
i got

1760
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,000
rock coach who i do talk to i think he

1761
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,839
is on the path because he's not an

1762
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,760
american he's not subject to a lot of

1763
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:52,720
the

1764
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,400
put on him in america he's i think that

1765
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,640
documentary he did for channel 7 is one

1766
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,640
of the best and i think that james fox

1767
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,559
who i've communicated with i think james

1768
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,240
is on the right path

1769
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,319
i really do and we've got valet as an

1770
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,839
advisor so he doesn't go off the

1771
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,680
reservation too easily you know i mean

1772
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,280
he stays about things that can be

1773
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,000
verified he's really

1774
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,000
good you know and i so i really think

1775
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,599
those two guys

1776
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,440
are really there some of the other guys

1777
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,720
i just don't even understand where

1778
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,839
they're coming from you know but for 149

1779
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,760
i can find out or something you know but

1780
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,599
right for sure

1781
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,440
exactly yeah that's kind of always been

1782
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:31,359
an affliction with the ufo community

1783
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:32,400
right

1784
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,200
yeah

1785
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,359
but agreed about those guys they've put

1786
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,799
out some really good work for sure

1787
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,359
absolutely well one of these guys

1788
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,119
we won't mention his name that was doing

1789
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,960
experiential trips to the mountains of

1790
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,799
malibu and you'd give everybody

1791
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,280
flashlights and laser pointers and then

1792
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:49,039
these things would appear and then

1793
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,559
they'd flash it and then these things

1794
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,960
would flash lights back well this was

1795
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,880
the main takeoff and landing area from

1796
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,960
los angeles airport and when planes hit

1797
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,960
10 000 feet they pass their they turn

1798
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,400
their lights off and on to let other

1799
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,079
planes in the area know they're in the

1800
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,480
area so that you know it's the busiest

1801
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:06,400
thoroughfare for commercial aircraft and

1802
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,599
they're up there in the mountains

1803
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,599
looking for ufos you know with the laser

1804
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,599
pointers which is just

1805
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,680
give me a break yeah

1806
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,960
don't do that

1807
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:17,280
no yeah yeah don't yeah don't be that

1808
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:18,240
guy

1809
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,599
anybody out there in the audience

1810
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,920
listening to this don't be that guy

1811
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,160
if you're 149 and buy all of jack

1812
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:25,680
valet's books

1813
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,160
yeah absolutely there you go well i had

1814
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,480
a great time with you i mean seriously

1815
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,799
um you know it was nice to just sit back

1816
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,720
and listen um because i think you have

1817
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,160
so much to offer in so many different

1818
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,880
ways and i just i had a great time

1819
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,559
listening to you and learning from you i

1820
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,720
can't wait to ask you what i should do

1821
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:43,760
um

1822
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,359
so that look for that text and you know

1823
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,559
so

1824
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,000
other than that yeah i can't wait to

1825
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:52,640
bring you back again too

1826
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:53,520
so

1827
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,760
right see you see you robert bye bye-bye

1828
01:05:02,710 --> 01:04:59,760
have a good day

1829
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,720
um yeah so go watch rock prophecies too

1830
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,799
because that's a pretty powerful movie

1831
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,559
we didn't even get to touch on this but

1832
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,359
i wanted to touch about on his mother

1833
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,359
with alzheimer's and all that and how he

1834
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,599
had to take care of her and you know

1835
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,359
growing up she told him

1836
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,200
that what he was doing and who he was

1837
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,720
listening to those bands he'd never get

1838
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,079
anywhere with it

1839
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:22,160
there's a whole story there too you know

1840
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,400
oh man well

1841
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:26,000
maybe it'll make it into part two maybe

1842
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:27,280
we have to save that for part three

1843
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:28,240
we'll see

1844
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:29,039
yeah

1845
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,880
i look i love that guy that guy was

1846
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,480
awesome that was great

1847
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,839
yeah he

1848
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,920
he's got stories to burn man he's got

1849
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,359
stories

1850
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,160
yeah nobody really knows who he is

1851
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,960
yeah under known uh but at the same time

1852
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,520
he's he's kind of see i mean like he's

1853
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,039
been in in the right place at the right

1854
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,720
time and so many key moments it's

1855
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:51,280
incredible it's uh that's that's the

1856
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,799
kind of energy you want to you want to

1857
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,280
tap and and bottle up and and hand out

1858
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,359
to people you know what i mean yeah cool

1859
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,520
thing really learned what he meant about

1860
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:01,920
the conduit thing you know

1861
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,480
absolutely oh always yeah kind of the

1862
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,240
right guy to bring two different things

1863
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,760
together or whatever

1864
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,920
pretty cool stuff

1865
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,319
i might watch this one a couple times

1866
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,720
so absolutely yeah yeah absolutely got

1867
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,559
to get that energy it's great to see

1868
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,599
everybody in the chat today hi to laura

1869
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:21,920
and ed monster and toby

1870
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:25,440
and uh surf psych we got lara over here

1871
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,559
v benji of course wonderful to see you

1872
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,680
benji

1873
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,079
um wait did you go

1874
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:33,760
like i'm on a benji

1875
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:36,559
oh um no like a like a benji like a

1876
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,440
normal binji did i do like a weird

1877
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,440
like midwestern pronunciation for it or

1878
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,119
something like that it sounds like you

1879
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:45,680
said benji like i'm on a you know like

1880
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,319
i'm on an alcohol benji oh like a bender

1881
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:50,960
oh like a benji is that yeah is that

1882
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,240
like some kind of like australian i mean

1883
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:56,160
kind of situation i'm on a bit of a

1884
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,230
yeah for all those uh for all those like

1885
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,400
uh australians from liverpool that's

1886
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,960
that's what that was he says hello i'm

1887
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,839
french oh well yeah oh benji we pulled

1888
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,039
you right back

1889
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,440
i can't do a french accent so well

1890
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,280
wonderful wonderful to see you all in

1891
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,400
the chat hello to all of you and and um

1892
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,640
great to see you sean and uh i look

1893
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,119
forward i look forward to our our next

1894
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,799
wednesday friendship our continuing

1895
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,880
wednesday friendship it's beautiful yep

1896
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,480
a week from today

1897
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,319
wonderful don't be late

1898
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,720
i won't be late i'll be early

1899
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,680
be

1900
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,119
on time

1901
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:36,960
i'll do my very best

1902
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,119
thanks so much for hanging out

1903
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:43,200
appreciate you and we'll see you next

1904
01:08:09,589 --> 01:07:44,480
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